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Call to hang Attorney General Freundel Stuart (right) talking with Chief Fire Officer Wilfred Marshall (left) as Patrick Todd listens in.

By Gercine Carter | Sun, September 05, 2010 - 12:00 AM

“Let the gallows swing” is the widespread plea from Barbadians angered by Friday night’s tragedy in Tudor Street, The City, where six young women perished.

But assailed with such calls from a highly emotional crowd of onlookers in the aftermath yesterday morning, Attorney General Freundel Stuart said: “I am not satisfied myself that swinging the gallows changes values in a society.”

Speaking exclusively to the SUNDAY SUN, the Attorney General said: “It is values we are dealing with here. When young men, if they are young men who have committed this crime, decide that things like the right to property, the right to work for an honest wage should be put at risk by what happened here on this street yesterday evening, that is a value issue and the homes that produced these people, the social institutions that socialised them now have to be mobilised to make sure that we create a kind and gentler society.”

He added: “When we hang, we get rid of that particular perpetrator, but the values issue remains. The factory that produces people who commit this kind of crime is working perfectly in Barbados and other parts of the Caribbean.”

While conceding he understood the people’s anger, the Attorney General argued: “You hear these responses whenever a tragedy as great as this occurs. Everbody in Barbados quite frankly believes in the death penalty until their son is involved . . . . Then they want the best lawyer and they want the system to be kind to persons close to them.”

But he said the death penalty was always going to be “a devisive issue” among Barbadians.

“For some it will be a solution; for others it will not be a solution.”

Stuart pointed out that Barbados had “a standing issue” with the Inter-American Court of Human Rights on the death penalty, and remarked “it is a decision that the society will have to make”.

“What the Inter-American Court wants us to do is to remove the mandatory death penalty, so that a judge will have a discretion to determine whether a particular case before him is a case fit for the death penalty or whether there were extenuating circumstances that would make a lesser sentence acceptable.”

The Attorney General said Barbadians were “being taught a very harsh lesson that such crimes were not limited to people in other parts of the world”.

“They can happen here and we now have to look into our own backyard and clean it up,” he said, adding: “These are issues we have to resolve and we are certainly in the process of dealing with them.”

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Posted by YOGI NI 1 year, 5 months ago

Well well well, what is the Attorney General position on the death penalty? I am really tired of the politicians.Let us put the DEATH PENALTY issue to a referendum once and for all.
Let the Inter-American Court go and see if they can dictate to America. Let them go and tell the STATE OF TEXAS to stop using the death penalty.  Let them go and tell the Islamic Countries what to do. Let them go and tell the Chinese what to do. Shame on you MR. AG.

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Posted by Trish G 1 year, 5 months ago

This is indeed a very heinous crime and reprehensible act. But now we need to look at being proactive and finding contingency standards that would prevent re occurrence.To this end we all have to play our part which includes being our own vigilantes and resort from our selfish mindsets. They are a few suggestions that can be expanded that may aid in improving the system:extending the fire department and creating a division that employs fire marshals to create, implement and maintain safe working environments. Devise a safety and hazard mandate that all business must comply to- each business should have fire extinguishers,certain distances should be maintained between ceilings and stacked items, no blocking of exits. If fire marshals visit these stores just like health inspectors and serve fines for violations part of the problem is solved.

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Posted by Soft on crime 1 year, 5 months ago

Be that as it may, when you let people like that get away with murder it isn’t long before they begin to recruit more youth too. Then they’ll get others to engage in their brazen activities. I like the government of St. Lucia and St. Kitts better Denzil Douglas man he tells them criminals what is what.

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Posted by h.callen 1 year, 5 months ago

I predicted that something like this would happen.The Court system is a big failure and the criminals are well aware of that.This
piece of paper that was sign
by a learnted Bajan and now it has come back to haunt the Barbadian socity.This Amer.Int.Court don`t pertain
to the USA,a couple of weeks
ago in Texas they put the last of 4 that murdered a girl 17yrs ago to death and the 2 teens are doing 40 yrs in prison.In Barbados the guy would be out in less than 17yrs.Barbados want some one to run for office that will be tough on crime.The AG has sympathy for the persons that may get the death penalty and what about the person or persons that was given the death penalty by them.The other acting AG say that Barbados should not let anyone push them to bring back the death penalty.This job as AG should be on the ballot.

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Posted by John Q 1 year, 5 months ago

In New York City the Gambino crime family used a weak frail old lady to move large amounts of cash from one location to the other in a shopping cart.  The neighborhood was quite dangerous and violent and had very low values. Dangerous violent people filled the streets, it was widely known what she transported, but in over 10 years she was never robbed once.  My friends if any one in that valueless neighborhood touched one of the grey hairs on her head he would be dead shortly afterward.  The death penalty deters, it works but it will not be brought back because when a Government signs UN Conventions it supersedes the laws of your country.  The will of the people is irrelevant. That is the real reason.  But it could change if the people awoke from their prolonged slumber.

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Posted by zoeyhutch 1 year, 5 months ago

Look, I get what the Attorney General is saying. What the Attorney General will not say is ... people in every country, throughout man’s time on earth ... have lived on the fringes of society. It has not stop. It will not stop. We can not allow ourselves to be held hostage by that while the lawless pillage, and rape, and murder. We must be prepared to wipe them off the face of the earth. There is a time for everthing under the sun, so says the Bible. This is the time to hang. Hang ‘em high.

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Posted by zoeyhutch 1 year, 5 months ago

Anybody knows what is extenuating circumstances? I do. Was the defendant subjected to corporal punishment as a child? Did the defendant have a stable environment to grow? Did the defendant suckle long enough on his mother’s breast? Did he as a child wet his bed? We are allowing the mumbo-jumbo that has seeped into jurisprudence in the metropolitan countries to grow in Barbados. The one thing we should be concerned about is ... do we have the perpertrator. Then, get the noose ... and hang ‘em high.

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Posted by Sophia 1 year, 5 months ago

They show this man or people that we stand for crime like this in Barbados. If this messages is not send out Barbados will become a horrible place to come to. Also no body will want to travel to Barbados. If we want BIM to safe will have go back Grantley Adam days, you did the crime you were hung. Barbados is high tourism so it will drop if nothing if not done.  Americans, English and the Europeans will not feel safe bring there friends,families, buying house or land. So you they need to think about hanging.

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Posted by A L 1 year, 5 months ago

The death penalty is there to protect the society not the individual who commits the crime worthy of death. If the defendant is guilty,  let them hang. Society as a whole is deteriorating because of a lack of discipline. Corporal punishment is practically gone from our schools and it has worsened the situation. Crime needs to be punished. Asking for the gallows to swing is not just an emotional response, deep inside we know that it is the right thing to do.

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Posted by Free Thinker 1 year, 5 months ago

Why dotn we just put them in ground and stone them like fundamentalist muslims in Somalia. Or prescribe 100 lashes like Iran. Maybe that will solve violence cycle in society. Some people here who calling for hanging are the type of loud shouters who are fast to judge and shoot the wrong targets. The target source creating this problem is the fact that to many leaders who can make changes do not understand what creates it.  The wealthy and those in control of resources are perpetuating a hypocritical classist and oppressive system. There is a festering culture of poverty, poor education, illiterate teachers who dont read, furthermore illiterate students, with all the Kill, em shoot em, f em music, beating their children, right wing religious fanatics who think they are moderate and illiterate parents who dont read 1 single book per year not do they spend time with the 7 children then have which they treat like pups and leave the street blocks to raise.

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Posted by rondonneld 1 year, 5 months ago

I am not satisfied with the arguments Mr Stuart is putting out.

Capital punishment is not meant to change values, merely to reinforce them and to let the criminally minded be aware that there are dire consequences for their actions. This has been lacking in the region for a few decades now. 

Furthermore, I dont see the relevance of how the perpetrators’ families handle it. Is he afraid to take a firm stance because it might upset a few people (who frankly have no valid reason to be)? That is ridiculous.

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Posted by Mickey Dee 1 year, 5 months ago

can someone please explain what the inter american court is and why does Barbadian officials have to consider the wishes of this organization to deal with a crime that was committed in Barbados? i thought Barbados was an independent island nation. Mr. attorney general it sounds to me that bajan society already made a decision regarding the punishment for these murders .remember spare the rod spoil the child. unfortunately this tragedy could be a result of adopting other countries policies and worthless trends.

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Posted by h.callen. 1 year, 5 months ago

Its time for this AG to go and also Mr.Brathwaite who stand-in for him while he was acting PM and let`s vote
for someone who will be tough on crime.Please don`t think about appointing,let the public have the right to
elect the person who will do
the job.Ask the Governors of Texas and other states if they are bound by this peice of documemt that the AG said that Barbados signed.

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Posted by WHITEHILL 1 year, 5 months ago

To all those who have suffered lost as a result of this cowardly act,please accept my sympathy,I’m so sorry for your lost.

Attorney General: I’m quite impress that,you didn’t come out swinging, calling for the reintroduction of hanging. I had imagine this would’ve been a great vote getter. What you can swing away at sir, is this. Have some of the brightest minds, not all polictical lackeys, come together in an attempt, at finding solutions to some of the problems, that are producing animals such as these two beast. If and when you do this, you would be erecting a memorial comparable to none for these fine young ladies.

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Posted by Ann 1 year, 5 months ago

I really do not care what kind of household they came from, if they do this kind of horrific crime, hang them if proven guilty. It is time to give these thugs something to really think about instead of just going to that great hotel at Dodds.

IT IS TIME!!!

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Posted by J. Payne 1 year, 5 months ago

Nonsense.  I disagree with the A.G. on this.  If the suspects in fact threw a Molotov cocktail (firebomb) into the doorway of a place they just robbed then they knew of what the possible outcome could be.  They should know right from wrong.  I don’t care why they did it, society or otherwise, those six women did not deserve to die for those hoodlums to make a couple of dollars. Am I wrong?

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Posted by chupssse 1 year, 5 months ago

Bring the vigilantes to take care of this. When these two are caught, turn them over to the people and let justice have its way. It won’t last long and will save a lot of tax money during these difficult times. If you hang them, you have to feed and house them for weeks, months or even years before they take them to the gallows. Street justice would be best and save the economy of my ancestors homeland.
my two cents worth…

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