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STAND UP FOR RIGHTS

Dr George Belle, dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences.

 

Published on: 7/7/2009.


by GERALYN EDWARD

A FORMER ADVISER to Government says a country should not have to defend its right to self-determination even within CARICOM because member countries are still sovereign states.

Dr George Belle, dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences of the Cave Hill Campus of the University of the West Indies (UWI), said: "We are a community of sovereign states . . . you should not have to defend your rights to self-determination of your people . . . you have to defend your space.

"You still have to do that because you are not in a union.

"That is something that frightens some of the members . . . The minute you start to talk about political union, know that Jamaica is going to run."

Belle made the comments on Friday night as he delivered the feature address to graduates of the Professional Training Programme in International Trade Policy offered by the UWI's Shridath Ramphal Centre For International Trade Law, Policy and Services.

The social scientist said he was an adviser at CARICOM Heads of Government conferences between 2003 and 2008 on "attempts to build the governance institutions for the implementation of the CARICOM Single Market & Economy".

Belle told the graduates if CARICOM heads had established commissioners, as was advised, many of the problems faced by regional leaders today would have been eliminated.

"If we had had a commissioner to deal with migration, a lot of the embarrassment to the politicians that they are facing right now, they would not be faced with.

"A politician is always looking over his shoulder about how many votes he's going to lose by saying whatever. Who are you going to embarrass?

"How much pressure you're going to get and therefore he can say certain things or he says things in a particular way," Belle said.

The academic added: "But if you had a man with a mandate who could go out there and preach to people that these are the complications and what are the realities, this is what the situation really is, he would take that burden off the politician because they remain political leaders of sovereign states." (GE)

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21 comment found!

: 7/8/2009
Dear Optimist Prime: If I were illiterate, I would have been able to reply to you....lol! You are so stupid.


We share common future : 7/8/2009
It is unfortunate when such things happen because all Guyanese are being maligned. At the end of the day we will all have to work together to rebuild our relationships for like it or not our futures are intertwined.


The issue is disrepect for laws and distorting reality : 7/8/2009
Barbadians also migrate to USA, Canada and the UK for the same reasons. Migration is a global phenomena. The big problem here is that illegal Guyanese and those who represent them want to disrespect Bajan laws. This cannot and should not be accepted nor condoned. Nor should the effort to taint Barbadian image nor distort the realities be allowed.


Prior migration of Guyanes different from this new wave : 7/8/2009
the prior migration to Barbados were mainly black people who have roots and were able to establish residence and integrate easily based on that. This is not unusual migration practice. This current migration problem is one where Indians with no ancestral linkages to Barbados are a threat to the socio economic and political stability of Barbados. This is made worse because unlike Africans who would easily integrate , Indians will avoid integration, denounce miscegenation and are very clannish. Their lifestyle is very different, they like different foods, music, and religious practices. All of which will change the face of Barbados. They also multiply faster and have shown disrespect for Barbados by accusing this nation of “ethnic cleansing” when all Barbados was doing was enforcing laws


African Guyanese and Bajans have family ties : 7/8/2009
Most African Guyanese have ancestral roots in Barbados from a time when Barbadians migrated to Guyana looking for betterment. Bajans may have faced hostility from Guyanese as well. The same way African American feel about Caribbean people migrating to the USA. This behaviour is normal. It can never be about payback it will always be about management of migrants , and sovereign protection.


Response to enough is enough : 7/8/2009
It is not about Bajans repaying guyana. Migration will always continue once there is a pull and push factor. There was a time when Barbadians went to Guyana seeking Betterment. Guyanese are now doing it. Migration must be done within the frame work of the Country's laws. and no one should be exempt from this


PLease Let common sense prevail : 7/8/2009
my response to rights by an Anthony about the six months amnesty. if you can read or understand it was stated that if you are in the island 8 years or longer you have the six months to get documented and if you are there under eight years you have to leave. what is so hard in understand that. thus the rounding up as you call it. I how ever call it doing what is right. Great job Mr. Prime Minister


Why Bim : 7/7/2009
i was trying my best to find a report in the jamaican gleaner where the labour minister made a declaration that jobs are for jamaican and that if you are in the country illeagall or with out a permit that you would have to leave or they would come looking for you. I ask the question why is it that no one spoke out against that. i am still searching for that piece of info and as soon as i find it i will submit the url


enough is enough : 7/7/2009
Has Barbados not yet repaid its dues to Guyana? Its a historical fact that many Bajans travelled to Guyana in earlier times. But what about the last five decades? At the beginning of and throughout the Burnham era many Guyanese had fled with much coming to these shores. Did we not accommodated them? How many more can we take? I hope people like Norman Faria will understand migration wont solve Guyana's problems.

blacksage

north america dont mek nah sport : 7/7/2009
.if u enter as a visitor and are given a set time to stay and u over stay your welcome. When you are found/or turned in by someone they, the government, take u as you are. there is no time to grab nothing, its straight to the detention center, and the first availble flight to your country of origin you are on it.Yet no complaints about the USA OR CANADA immigration system.If u cant do it anywhere else why try it in BIM.

swingpondeeznutz

wrong and strong. : 7/7/2009
some bloggers say these are the same people with their racist tendencies who are orchestrating an effort to have Dr Kean Gibson dismissed from UWI. They have solicited some black supporters they same way the did with the immigration issue in Barbados. The are said to be claiming that her book is creating racial strife when the truth of the matter is that she dared to have a look into the Hindu religion as a means of helping Guyanese have an understanding of the psyche and motivations of the Indian. They have tried to silence her academic expression with the support of the Jagdeo and the PPP government. These people do not care about anyone other than themselves. So Barbados needs to see their actions in this matter as an indication of theor potential to create conflict, lie and lay blame on others even when they are the wrong doers


GT girl : 7/7/2009
If Barabadians do not stop these people now then Barbados will become Indianized just like Guyana where Indians dominate the airwaves and every cultural space. These people do not integrate with Africans and see Africans as beneath them. They will transfer their racism to Barbados nad then do what they do best that is accuse others of violating them and play the perfect victim


Response to optimist Prime : 7/7/2009
Your people problem is that you have a different definition for crime when it comes to your kind. The pregnant woman and child are illegal and breaking Barbados law . Crime is crime.Same thing Amjad khan's wife said when he was shot by the Guyana Police for smuggling and was the first Guyanese to be known with an AK 47. As far as she and your kind were concerned those who were burglers were criminals but not the smuggler with an AK 47. One wonders now what he was really smuggling with all the drugs rampant in Guyana now . One also noted the involvement of high profile weapons such as those associated with drugs. Go bajans! stamp out the criminal elements who would violate your countries' immigration laws then try to bad mouth and malign your country.


prime : 7/7/2009
your problem is the DLP you are a fool when it come to laws i am sorry for you the election is over

kk

Rights : 7/7/2009
According to PM Thompson, the round ups in the middle of the night is based on the assumption that that's the only time these people will be home. He's also reported as saying that the raids are based on intelligence. However, he failed to reconcile this with the point made by the first commenter; why the heck people are being rounded up if they have a six-month amnesty? Two dozen Guyanese were "asked to return" to their homeland in June after the launch of the amnesty. They were not 'deported' because their offences were not criminal. Someone's a barefaced liar.

Anthony

: 7/7/2009
STAND UP FOR RIGHTS It is sad when people know something is wrong but because it affects them at the particular time we go along with it. Our previous prime minister knew that we would have problems down the road with all this free migration that he was offering, but he failed to listen to the people because he became god of Barbados. What he and alot of other people in positions of authority fail to realize is that, power is only for so long and with out God as the head of your life you usually fail to do a good job. The people of this country is more important that any political leader and it time that they realize that when critical decisions like migration which will cause the people to be uncomfortable and uneasy, that decision should not be a ONE MAN DECISION. We forget easily so every-time the mess which Mr. Prescod is speaking about occurs the DEMS have to come and correct it and save our backsides, but such is life. Bajan


TAKE A STAND FOR SOMETHING !!!! : 7/7/2009
Two American reporters were recently imprisoned for 12 years hard labour for illegally entering North Korea. If you overstay your time, you are breaking the law and should face the consequences of your actions. They are all very lucky that they are not in North Korea. Why are we always making excuses for persons breaking the law? That’s the problem with this country; we have no standards; no one takes a stand for anything, that’s why anything goes! That’s why we have illegal squatters, illegal immigrants, drivers without insurance, PSV drivers, driving recklessly and blaring load music with no regards for passengers, noisy motor cycles, anything goes in this country.

Jesus

Totally Agree : 7/7/2009
The issue is of sovreign rights. Each member of caricom have a right to secure their borders and to know who is in their island. Each island should deal with the immigration as they see fit. If you are asked to leave, leave or else the authorities have every right to deport in a manner which they see fit, irregardless of the opinions of a few. The islands cannot absorb all illegals, specifically guyanese. And the idea of political union is a joke. Who will be the head of this illusionary political union? I agree that jamaicans and other island states will never agree to a political union. In short, the hell with caricom. The only effective grouping in the caribbean is the OECS.


Immmigration : 7/7/2009
I knew from reading Optimist Prime comments that he was a sulking BLP that expects to be in power for the rest of the their lives without change. The BLP let all these people into Barbados skilled and unskliied. Wheather they have a job or not. It is the people that put the DLP into power whether you like it or not. These same people and some BLP people are saying enough is enough. The unemployment is high, poor unemployed, unskilled Bajan people are fighting with with the unemployed immigrants for the same jobs. You and your party that caused this call this inhumane. In Boston The Immigration rounded up over two hundred illegal immigrants men and women working in a factory and arrested them,the women from their babies. It was a far cry, the govenor of Boston and people lambasted the Immigration Department, but they were doing their work. For weeks children did not see their mothers. Some of them were deported back to their countries. That is what I called inhumane. If the Barbados government give to okay to round up these people at 3:00 AM in the morning. Do you want the immigration to send a message to them and tell them that they are coming to arrest them and deport them back to their country? Maybe you and the opposition government should entertain them and give them a free place to live and free medicals and a job who ever want to work and that would be humane. But the money would have to come from your BLP government, not the DLP government. The BLP government is looking for bajans first and then come if you have a skill and not be dependent on the DLP government. Every government should look out for its people first and foremost. I live in Boston and see illegal immigrants hiding from the immigration all the time, especially since 2/11 the law are fining the employers who hire illegal immigrants. There is no free ride like years gone by. I am not a BLP or DLP, I am a born Bajan living in Boston for many years. Thanks to the Nation Newspaper and the Internet I can read what is happening in Barbados. I do buy the Nation Sunday Sun Newspaper on weekends. There are limited outlets as to where you can buy the paper from. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN PRINT THIS LETTER FOR ME. Proud Bajan living in Boston/JMC.


Good Jon Mr. Prime Minister : 7/7/2009
Why some people always wait until the fire is smoldering to show up pun de scene and make a statement as if the first responders did not do their job? I support my Prime Minister in whatever decisions he makes for my little Barbados all de time.

Serious Bajan

I agree : 7/7/2009
I agree but the issue is not the sovereign rights of any state to decide. The issue is and has always been: "inhumane treatment, which borders on human rights violations." Should people be rounded up in the dead of the night (3-6 a.m.) when they had an amnesty until December 31st? Should the State allow they property and possession to be stolen, while they are being removed for deportation? All of a sudden we are hearing that those deported were criminals. What crime/s did a primary school child commit? What crime did a pregnant woman commit? Is that a crime now? You will never be able to justify "the inhumane treatment of people," even if there are criminals. Bush found out that in the US! This is not a communist state and that is what made Barbados great. Of course, until the DLP came along and --things changed!

Optimist Prime


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